Nemo ha individuato e Luca ha ben sintetizzato e, come dice Maria Pia, c'è da approfondire.

Giro al volo la discussione fin ora in corso, provare io a sintetizzarla... la vedo difficile, quello che emerge, al di là della sintesi di Luca, è un riferimento ad alcuni progetti.

Antonella, peccato aver perso la tua lectio alla premiazione, volevo venire ma dall'Abruzzo difficilemente lo si può fare in un giorno ed ero impegnata per la domenica. Magari replichiamo nel Centro Italia.

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---------- Forwarded message --------- Da: Patricia Mergen patricia.mergen@africamuseum.be Date: mar 26 nov 2019 alle ore 12:37 Subject: Re: There are "out of commerce works" ? Hm... To: EUROPEANA-TECH@list.ecompass.nl

In the past there we similar trial to connect https://www.archivesportaleurope.net/ which collects in a structure way using the archive standard EAD with the object ts presented in EUROPEANA.

So far for different reasons (finding funding and engagement from the community) it did not happen, but we still hope it will in future.

If there is a portal for out of Commerce Works with metadata/data only, a way to interlink those efficiently with the content if available on EUROPEANA but also other existing portals will be critical ?

All the best

Pat

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*From:* Ariadna Matas [mailto:ariadna.matas@europeana.eu] *Sent:* mardi 26 novembre 2019 12:04 *To:* Patricia Mergen *Cc:* EUROPEANA-TECH@list.ecompass.nl *Subject:* Re: There are "out of commerce works" ? Hm...

Hi both,

Thanks for getting back to me.

My first thought when this portal was being discussed in the draft text of the Directive was also that Europeana would be a perfect place for that. Perhaps it was a policy decision from the Commission not to have made it this way... in any case now the final text of the Directive mandates that the EUIPO has to create that portal and we should get the best we can out of it.

At the same time, the function of that portal will be very different to that of Europeana. The main objective of this portal is to publicise information (not necessarily the digital object) about the work before it can be used under the out of commerce works scheme. So publishing there is almost just a formality that we need to go through to benefit from the system. The portal does not intend to aggregate or give visibility to content for it to be re-used. It's almost like a window of information.

I don't mean to say that it's an ideal situation, and it could definitely be easier, but since the process of providing information through this portal is still needed to benefit from the out of commerce works scheme, it's important in my opinion that we ensure that this process is not burdensome but rather useful if possible.

What do you think?

Thanks,

Ariadna

On Tue, 26 Nov 2019 at 10:13, Patricia Mergen < patricia.mergen@africamuseum.be> wrote:

I tend to agree, all existing portals can always be improved, updated even replaced by another system but keeping its name, content and community .. I really fail to see why a portal specifically for out of commerce would be needed to build up, when we have EUROPEANA, Archive Portal Europe and success stories like Biodiversity Heritage Library : https://www.biodiversitylibrary.org/

Why not concentrate on mobilizing content, convince providers, interlinking those successful portals rather then to build yet another one to try to link to the others ?

I fail to see the rationale behind it for the "out of commerce works" topic .., I really fear a dispersion of the means, efforts and experts here, rather to focalize on improving and supporting what is there ?

Pat

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-----Original Message----- From: Discussion list for Europeana Technical Developments [mailto: EUROPEANA-TECH@LIST.ECOMPASS.NL] On Behalf Of Dan Matei Sent: mardi 26 novembre 2019 10:02 To: EUROPEANA-TECH@LIST.ECOMPASS.NL Subject: Re: There are "out of commerce works" ? Hm...

Dear Ariadna,

Hmm again :-)

-----Original Message----- From: Ariadna Matas ariadna.matas@EUROPEANA.EU Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 10:28:49 +0100

Think of family photography, newspapers and journals, political leaflets and posters, amateur audiovisual works and unpublished works, among

others.

I think it is fine that things that might still be used commercially are excluded. The provisions are not necessarily aimed at them (however I understand that if they opt out but never re-publish or made available in any way it is a pity).

Do we really imagine that people will record in that portal family photographs, unpublished works, etc.

And even if they will do, how will be those identified ? The portal will be a "shadow Europeana" ? If yes, maybe Europeana would be a better place even for the "out-of-commerce" works ? Why another one ?

Dan

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